Tuesday Mourning
5:29 AM according to my ol’ computer. Doesn’t even sound like the roosters are up yet. In my yard is a gloriously golden tree and on my porch, Shi’ma’s gray cat Smoky. It is a peaceful morning in my corner of the world. LORD, have mercy on those millions of people on this wobbling globe that are not having a peaceful morning. Blessed are those who mourn for they shall be comforted. Which leads me to pray through 2 Corinthians 1:1 to 2:11 - all about comfort and forgiveness. I’ll write on that in my prayer journal. Perhaps I’ll share it with you later.
But here is the gist of what I was thinking, while enjoying the peace on my porch. There are many Christians in this world, many people who love our LORD, Jesus Christ and honor, trust, believe in His Word, The Holy, Living Bible who do not believe that every thing that happens in this dark and perverse world is aligned to God’s perfect will.
Sin, Darkness, and the Murder of Innocent Children are not parts of His Perfect Plan
There is no comfort in telling a grieving mother that the meaningless murder of her little girl is part of the Sovereign God’s perfect plan unfolding. Not all of us Christians believe such a thing is true. God is Love. God is Light, and in Him there is no shade of darkness.
Time to watch the sun rise over Shiprock.
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Romans 8:
26Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. 27And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. 28And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. 29For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
"There is no comfort in telling a grieving mother that the meaningless murder of her little girl is part of the Sovereign God’s perfect plan unfolding. Not all of us Christians believe such a thing is true. God is Love. God is Light, and in Him there is no shade of darkness."
If there is no comfort in a sovereign God, then where is it to be found?
Yes He is love and light. He is not a pathetic weakling whom men can out-maneuver.
No one said God made people do these things. However He has COMPLETE foreknowledge of all things.
Believing in double predestination is not the same as believing in God's total prescience. To portray them as one and the same is disingenous.
If His plan does not exist, an unscriptural notion btw, then we are to pitied for believing in Him.
Maryellen,
I am glad to be back on-line and blogging again. My visit to your site today reveals a bit of sadness on your part. I will not try to add to Chris P.'s encouragement, for he has done a great job.
It is good to "visit" with you once again.
Chris P. - "If there is no comfort in a sovereign God, then where is it to be found?"
Interesting thought, yet this isn't at all what she said. She said it isn't comforting to know that God required your child to die as part of His plan.
It is amusing when my 13 month old daughter only repeats half of a sentence we speak. Then again, she doesn't even know what she is saying. My niece is in second grade and she already understands that it is important to read the entire sentence.
Perhaps I should send you some hooked on phonics tapes. After all, if you can't correctly read an entire sentence written by one woman and respond, how can we expect that your interpretation of a complex book like the bible is even close to correct?
"Yes He is love and light. He is not a pathetic weakling whom men can out-maneuver.
No one said God made people do these things. However He has COMPLETE foreknowledge of all things."
He is not able to be out-maneuvered by man, yet He did not make these people do this thing? In fairness, the flip side of the coin might be that He simply chose not to interfere, but with the prescience you espouse, wouldn't this be the same as making them do it? As it fits into the plan He wrote? Either He is out-maneuvered or it is His plan. You can't take both positions. (Not without being place-kicked in the groin by logic.)
"If His plan does not exist, an unscriptural notion btw, then we are to pitied for believing in Him."
At least in this point we agree.
Wnaderer
Trying to pick a fight again. You must be bored.
I understood her point exactly.
I will get you a copy of hooked on reality.
No offense, but since you know neither the Scriptures nor the God who wrote them, your opinion means little.
The God of the Bible, i.e. Yahweh, who is the only true and living God is sovereign. Therefore if a bird falls to the ground and He is aware of it then the death of a child is most certainly under His administration. Since he is completely prescient/omniscient then His allowing things to happen would fall under a purpose that He will reveal in time, as He always has. Our comfort is that regardless of the hurt and pain that we suffer through, the child is in His hands.
When one's world view is that things are just happening and the poor Lord can't keep up, well, you can worship that God.
Now go run naked through the woods or whatever it is that you folks do.
Chris P. - "I understood her point exactly."
You just willfully ignored it then?
You quoted and responded to half a sentence, understanding a point is only relevant if you address the actual point. You wouldn't quote half a verse, would you?
"No offense, but since you know neither the Scriptures nor the God who wrote them, your opinion means little."
Broken record? You have said this multiple times and this blog's administrator has disagreed with you. If my opinions matter to her, that is all that matters. As for you bringing this up here? How is the Bible relevant to this statement? I brought up logic. That isn't part of your theology. It is purely of this world, and I am well educated in it. As long as I am speaking on terms not based on biblical interpretations, my beliefs in your bible don't matter. (That's the first chapter of hooked on reality by the way, how about reading it before you send it out?)
"When one's world view is that things are just happening and the poor Lord can't keep up, well, you can worship that God."
I could. I don't. Then again, since you don't believe in the Goddess or her theology, I don't suppose your opinion on that would matter, would it?
"Now go run naked through the woods or whatever it is that you folks do."
Now who is picking a fight? :) Feel free to imagine me naked and running around if that's what makes you smile. I will continue believing what I do, and you will continue believing as you do. Whether you like it or not, I am liable to keep responding to you if you comment out here.
Particularly if you are twisting her words to make your point and failing to use logic in the argument.
Finally, yes, I was bored, but then I spend my time at work arguing with people who are incapable or unwilling to engage in logical discourse, so it wasn't all that much of a transition.
I only believe in He who is real.
Your position is illogical, since the goddess is a manufactured entity.
Did Maryellen hire you to be her hired gun, or are you just obsessed?
Goodbye!
Chris P. - "Your position is illogical, since the goddess is a manufactured entity."
You couldn't find my position if I gave you a map. You haven't the slightest idea where I stand. My position is illogical because She is manufactured? So you claim. Yet, your argument falls short of that logic. See, you offer no evidence either of this manufacture, nor the lack thereof for your own God. Your argument holds and unsupported premise. You expect it to be taken for granted that you are right, which I obviously don't. Therefor you offer an unsubstantiated claim as proof. Don't use my personal mistress of logic in an illogical claim. It's just silly.
"Did Maryellen hire you to be her hired gun, or are you just obsessed?"
Hire me? Nope. I don't get paid. (Besides in the pleasure of reading your variant silly comments.) She has yet to tell me to stop. Of course, I did tell you why I do always step in to defend her, not that I expect you were capable of comprehending, given that it involved complex matters like Greek legend and metaphors that you would actually have to apply your mind to. Then again, more importantly, you would have had to have a level of reading comprehension you haven't demonstrated yet (i.e. read the whole sentence, discuss what is being said rather than manufactured nonsense) in order to follow along. If you would like to try again, here it is toward the end of our debate in the comments:
Troy Metaphor
I love the declarative "Goodbye", as if you imply that you will stop harassing her and/or prove yourself capable of avoiding responding to me.
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